◆NEWSPirates Notes: Keller, Pitching Pursuits, Lineup◆ROSTERSigned free agent RHP Enmanuel Nunez to a minor league contract◆STATPaul Skenes ranks 4th in the NL in strikeouts (200)◆STATNick Gonzales ranks 4th in the NL in batting average (.303)
◆NEWSPirates Notes: Keller, Pitching Pursuits, Lineup◆ROSTERSigned free agent RHP Enmanuel Nunez to a minor league contract◆STATPaul Skenes ranks 4th in the NL in strikeouts (200)◆STATNick Gonzales ranks 4th in the NL in batting average (.303)
The Pirates didn’t have much juice in their first game of the final homestand of 2026 as they dropped a 5-1 game to the Brewers. Jacob Misiorowski spun five shutout innings while striking out seven for his 15th win of the season. The Pirates bullpen game was running fine until Gregory Soto entered the 1-0 game and promptly gave up two doubles, two walks and a wild pitch and ended up with four earned runs charged to him putting the game away for the Brewers. Jim and Tyler broke this one down on the NS9 Postgame Show powered by Primanti’s Bros. You can watch/listen here:
Following the Pirates laughable baserunning mistake in the 6th inning, Joe Block said “Well that’s the difference between the Brewers and the Pirates. 100 percent spot on. The Brewers will get a runner on base, move him over and somehow get him home any way they can. Let me break it down: Nick Gonzales and Ryan O’Hearn both single and are in first and second with Rafael Flores up. Flores hits a single that skips off the shortstop’s glove and into left field. Third base coach Tony Beasley gave Nick the stop sign because he lost sight of the ball when it went off the shortstop’s glove. Nicky G holds up and Ryan O’Hearn, thinking that Gonzales easily scored on the play, was cruising to third and he had to hold up and try to get back to second and was thrown out before he could. Just a classic Pittsburgh Pirates blunder. We see crap like this all the time. It should have been 1-1 with the Pirates still threatening and instead they don’t score and the Brewers add on a couple innings later. Here’s the video if you missed it:
Credit to Beasley for stepping up and speaking to the media after the game about it, but again this is just something the Brewers take advantage of. The Brewers have a solid game that do all the little things correctly and the Pirates somehow find a way to mess up even the simplest of plays. Frustrating beyond belief.
I Don’t Need Soto Back Next Season
It was 1-0 Brewers when Gregory Soto entered the game in the top of the 6th inning…when his pitching line was closed, it was 5-0 Brewers. Game over. Much like it was in his last outing at Wrigley Field when Don Kelly left him in there to blow the game. In the five batters he faced, Soto walked two, gave up two doubles, got a strikeout and threw a wild pitch. He left two inherited runners and they both scored against Wilber Dotel. I’ve seen enough of Gregory Soto for this season and for his Pirates career. He’s worn out his welcome at this point in Pittsburgh. He certainly shouldn’t be pitching in close games anymore. And I don’t want to see him back with the Pirates in 2027 or whenever there’s Major League Baseball again. I’m good. He was only signed to a one-year deal so he should be a one and down here in Pittsburgh and I’m good with that. Don’t bring him back next season, and please stop letting him pitch in one-run games. He’s shown he can’t handle it at this point.
Lowe Hits Number 30
The lone bright spot in this game came in the bottom of the 8th inning when Brandon Lowe clanked one off the RF foul pole for a solo home run. It made the score 5-1 and provided the Pirates with their only run of the game to avoid the shutout. It also was Brandon Lowe’s 30th home run of the season which is significant for him and in Pirates history.
This is Lowe’s third season of 30 home runs or more after hitting 31 last year and 39 in 2021 both with the Rays. And for the Pirates, he’s the first second baseman in franchise history to hit 30 home runs. Hometown hero Neil Walker was the previous high at 23 before Lowe. It’s also the first Pirates to hit 30 or more home runs in 7 years…you have to go all the way back to Josh Bell‘s 37 home runs he hit in 2019. And before that, it was Pedro Alvarez went he clubbed 36 long balls in 2013.
What else can you say about Lowe this year? Lowe’s been incredible this season. Thirty home runs and still counting with 11 games remaining. That home run was his 86th RBI and he’s worth 4.6 bWAR. Not a bad season. Like Soto above, he’s likely to be a one and done Pirates player too and will go down as one hell of a season for him and the Pirates. I hope it’s not one and done for Lowe in Pittsburgh, but unfortunately I’m just not confident in the Pirates resigning him after the season he’s having.
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The Debate
Should the Pirates move Nick Gonzales off third base next season?
NH19 PiratefanAll-Star· 58d ago
Soto is a no no. DFA him asap.
Ryan AlexanderAll-Star· 57d ago
I mean at this point no need to DFA him with 10 games to go but yeah I’m in agreement with just don’t entertain bringing him back at all.
NH19 PiratefanAll-Star· 53d ago
The Miz is real....
NH19 PiratefanAll-Star· 53d ago
Fire Ben Cherington
NH19 PiratefanAll-Star· 53d ago
Soto has to Go Go
With Tyler Sweeney and Jim Rosati.
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Key takeaways
1
Nick Gonzales is not a third baseman: his reaction time and anticipation are so bad that even 10 more years there wouldn't make him good, and he has gotten worse all season.
2
About 90% of the fourth-inning baserunning disaster is on third base coach Tony Beasley for holding Gonzales and then waving him in. O'Hearn also shouldn't have been caught in the rundown.
3
The front office never seriously chased a third baseman (kicking the tires on Okamoto and Suárez) and didn't have Gonzales learn the position over the offseason. Whatever they did didn't work.
4
Rafael Flores Jr. has earned the catching job for next season: a 4-for-4 night, an .840+ OPS and two runners thrown out make rolling with him comfortable.
5
Antwone Kelly's flat 99-mph four-seamer is the most hittable 100-mph fastball around (.304 average against, 1 whiff on 11 swings tonight). He won't be a good MLB pitcher until he fixes it or leans on his sweeper and slider.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the North Shore Nine podcast presented by FanDuel. This is the NS9 postgame show powered by Primanti Brothers. I'm Jim. With me tonight is Tyler. Tyler, it's Roberto Clemente Day. Everyone out there wearing number 21 today in honor of Roberto.
Unfortunately, Pirates didn't really play like Roberto today. They lose 5-1 to the Brewers, drop below 500. Really just an ugly game. Not the ugliest game they've ever played, but pretty ugly.
Yeah, maybe frustrating is a good word to use for tonight. And with what you said there about it being Roberto Clemente Day, Jacob Misiorowski is on the other side of the diamond. He's on the mound.
It's September 15th. Year 7 of Ben Cherington, a year where the Pirates should be, an independent race right now. And this should have been a big day in a day that everybody gets to enjoy and get very into and have fun today.
And just it's a shame what's happened. It's a shame.
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But yeah, it was frustrating is a good word because I think it just shows the big obviously there's the Brewers are they're the best team in the National League.
According to record, they're better than the Dodgers.
Tyler, if the Cubs lose tonight, the Pirate, which they're down four to three.
unfortunately, we could see a situation here. We're in about an hour.
The Brewers are celebrating an NL Central clinch at PNC Park.
All they need is for the Cubs to lose tonight in order to do that.
But I think you saw a lot of reasons tonight why the Brewers have 94 wins and the Pirates have 75 wins.
It comes down to a lot of the Jimmy's and the Joe's, but a lot of its X's and O's to early on in the second inning.
The, Lake Bachar gets the start for the Pirates is the opener gets a gets a scoreless first inning.
But then in the second gives up a leadoff single and then Jake Bauers advances the second on a ground out moves to third on a wild pitch.
Right. And that's just a situation where like that wild pitch, it's a big, wild pitch.
You can't do that in that situation.
Milwaukee, their rookie, their 21 year old rookie, Luis Lara, gets the job done, gets a sacrifice fly, pushes the run across the plate.
One, nothing Brewers.
And then you saw another similar situation later on in that game, where the Pirates had an opportunity to score.
And instead of doing everything right, like Milwaukee did, they did everything wrong and they didn't score because of it.
Yeah, that's about right. And that's been the reason that the Pirates are where they are for the last 32 years going on 33.
We can make all these excuses about the payroll and everything like that, but there are other teams that have figured out how to do it.
And Milwaukee is one of those teams that organizationally, it sounds simple, but they just know how to win.
And they expect to win.
And with the Pirates, it's, we're still not there.
They're not at that point where the little things are done well enough where you can get away with doing some silly things here and there.
It's just, it's an organizational philosophy.
It's an organizational culture.
It, the Browns is going to Browns and the Pirates is going to Pirates.
it's, it sucks to say it, right?
But this is a Pirates team that is on the brink of yet another losing season.
They are not far away from being eliminated from postseason contention.
They're there.
That'll happen this week.
yeah, this is a team that they're about to go 11 straight years without making the postseason.
Dude, like look at Milwaukee's lineup here.
They just came off a stretch where there were 20.
this isn't, they're not far off a stretch where they went 20 seasons without doing this.
And now we're in season 11 of it.
Look at Milwaukee's lineup here.
Who the F are half of these guys coming into this year?
It's, I don't know who these humans are.
they're, the brewers have been really good at identifying homegrown talent.
They locked up Churio, who's going to be a superstar already is if he's, but they locked up Churio.
They went out there and they locked up, Christian Yelich.
but like, yeah, you do look at some of these other guys.
Contreras was just a great trade that they made.
Mitchell, Touring, those are first round picks.
Lara is a top prospect that they just called up.
He gets three hits today.
I'm sorry.
He gets one hit today.
It's a solid team and they just, they do a lot of things.
Well, they're not necessarily like the most powerful team.
They're not going to hit a ton of homers, but they're fast.
They put the ball in play.
what is a Jake Bauers?
What is a Jake Bauers?
it's been in the majors for Jake Bauers.
This is a seven year major league vet, but he, but to, but not a good one until now, but like Bowers was a below replacement level player for one, two, three, four teams before finally
getting to Milwaukee.
And now all of a sudden he's good.
Right.
It's like, it's how does that's, we don't see that stuff happen with Pittsburgh ever.
Right.
Like the good players, we finally had a good player come in this year and Brandon Lowe and we'll talk about him.
He hit his 30th homer today.
he was, he, but he was a good player who came in.
You never see bad players like Jake Bauers come in and then all of a sudden become good.
it's frustrating.
And it's just the brewers are, they're light years ahead of the pirates right now.
Light years ahead.
you're looking at a team with 94 wins.
This Milwaukee team is going to win a hundred games.
They're going to win a hundred games.
Yeah.
to be fair with everything I just said, Milwaukee is on an unreal stretch.
Like this year is just out of this world.
They are playing just absolutely unreal baseball.
I don't know another way to put it.
They are a very good baseball team that everything has clicked for them.
Yeah, everything.
they've got, four, six batters in their lineup with slugging percentage over 400, but you look at the pirates, like the pirates also have five and a, and a six that's at three 95.
So it's not like these lineups aren't that far off, but Milwaukee does a lot of things better than the pirates.
They feel better than the pirates.
They pitch better than the pirates.
Their ace who throws hard, didn't decide this year that he just wasn't going to throw hard.
Right.
And guess what he's doing.
He's doing the things that our ace used to do when he throw, when he threw hard.
so it's just, it's really frustrating to see, because these are two, these are two organizations that on paper, you look at them market to market.
There really shouldn't be a big gap between the two ever.
And you're looking at a Milwaukee team that just runs laps around Pittsburgh.
They're just running laps.
Complete laps.
And then I give, again, you're looking at today.
It's Clemente day should be a big celebration day in the pirates are throwing at a bullpen game because once again, in year seven, we're in the middle of September and the pirates are literally crawling to the finish line because they're just out of arms.
I feel like we've done this every single year, just legitimately scrapping together, whatever you can just to get to one 62 and my God, it's getting embarrassing.
It's been embarrassing.
And today should have just been a stamp.
On everyone's head of embarrassment.
this is the, what the second year in four seasons that we're seeing them run out three or less starting pitchers basically to limp to the finish line.
And yeah, in the bullpen game, it wasn't awful today.
they, for the most part, they were effective.
Gregory Soto was not effective, but he was the only one.
and Don Kelly, to his credit, didn't leave them in too long.
He faced what four batters today, allowed, I guess he faced five batters today, allowed four of them to score.
but yeah, it's, when you, when you have a bullpen game like this and you're trotting out bullpen games two times, every time through the rotation, if everyone isn't on, or if you don't identify that guy who isn't on right away and get him
out of there, you're not going to win the game, especially if your offense only scores one run.
the offense scored one run today.
Jacob Misiorowski was on the mound for Milwaukee.
he's the best pitcher and he's the best pitcher in the national league right now.
and they did nothing against him.
They didn't even put the ball in play until the sixth, until the seventh batter of the game.
so yeah, it was a frustrating game.
Like I said, there's really no way around it.
And we talked about how like Milwaukee did the little things to score.
Right.
And we alluded to Pittsburgh didn't do that.
And that was in the fourth inning.
So in the fourth inning, the pirates got some hits off of Misiorowski, Nick Gonzales with a one out single, Ryan O'Hearn with a base hit, Rafael Flores Jr. with the base hit.
They had three straight hits against Misiorowski there in the fourth Flores is hit deflects off of Hamilton, the third baseman and goes into shallow left field.
No man's land.
There's no one around this baseball.
And I'm going to put this on everybody.
one Nick Gonzales didn't see it go into the outfield, but he's also, he's looking at Beasley, the third base coach Beasley is holding Nick Gonzales up at third base.
He's pointing to the bag and holding him up.
Then Nick Gonzales turns around to go back to third base.
And Beasley finally sees that this ball is in no man's land and there's no one around it.
And Nick Gonzales could literally do somersaults to home plate and score here.
So then Beasley starts waving him in at this point.
Gonzalez is already going back to third.
He doesn't see Beasley by the time Gonzalez turns back around.
It's too late.
Beasley's realizes they messed up.
Ryan O'Hearn's sucking a rundown because O'Hearn sees the play.
Cause it's right in front of them.
O'Hearn's like, I'm just going to cruise into third base here.
He gets out Horwitz gets out.
And now like you went from a situation where you should have had a tie game one-to-one with runners on the corners and one out.
And now you have zero runs, two outs, runners on first and third.
The game could have been completely different just on that play, just based off that play.
Sure could have.
And we talked about the little things that they're not doing well.
That's one of those things.
And on that play, I feel like 90% of it's probably on Tony Beasley.
And it's not really to pile on him here.
He just screwed up there.
Like it happens.
You screw some of those things up.
He made a bad call there.
And in all reality, he just like, if you're going to hold him, you got to stay with the hold.
You can't be in between.
You can't hold in a wave.
And then honestly, I'm not really blaming Nick Gonzales for any of it because that plays behind them.
He's not going to see that.
But I think O'Hearn needs to do a little bit better there as well.
Like I, the play is right in front of you.
Like you can see the ball.
You can see Gonzalez being held there.
I don't think he should have been in that rundown.
But at the same time, like it doesn't happen if Beasley just makes the right call in that situation.
And he didn't.
And again, it's not to pile on him here.
And us as Pirates fans and Pirates fans in general, we like to criticize our third base coaches a lot.
I think Beasley's done a pretty good job this year in all reality tonight.
And that play in particular, he booted it.
He plain and simple just screwed that one up.
Yeah, that was bad.
And it was, it was a game changer too.
I agree with you.
Like, I think a lot of people, like I posted the screenshots on Twitter.
and a lot of people were like just bashing Beasley.
And I think Beasley deserves a lot of blame tonight.
I don't think Beasley is the worst third base coach in the world.
I actually like that.
He's typically pretty aggressive.
but absolutely blew it tonight.
Like there's just no way around it.
No way around it.
and so instead of, piling on there, getting a run, potentially getting more, they're, they're down one, nothing.
and then it all comes crashing down in the sixth inning.
Gregory Soto comes in the pitch, immediately walks the lead off batter, gives up a double to Contreras, strikes out Bowers, but then walks Yellich.
So like you're, you've, you came in to face some lefties here and you walked two of them.
Laura then doubles to score a run.
And this is where Tyler, this is where I'm going to go.
I'm going to shift the blame from Beasley, right?
I was given easily more blame here on what happened in the fourth than Gonzalez, but man, just time and time again, Nick Gonzales just proves that he's just like incapable of
playing an effective third base position.
Joey Ortiz hits a ball, not even that hard.
Now Gonzalez is playing in, he's playing, even with the bag, but a ball hit one foot to Nick Gonzales is left 86 miles an hour.
And Gonzalez just freezes and does this little alligator arm thing where he just doesn't go and get the ball.
It goes in the left field to run scores.
And now the game's over.
It's five, nothing.
The game's over at this point.
Yeah.
When we talk about some of the criticisms that come with this team, one of those things is the fact that they went into this year with Nick Gonzales at third base.
And truthfully, another part of that is that they decided to go with Nick Gonzales at third base pretty late in spring.
Like early on, it was him at shortstop, which would have been my God, if he would have been shortstop, I might've lost my mind, but he's just not, he's not getting better there and
he hasn't all year.
He's gotten significantly worse.
His reaction time is just really bad.
And it's, I don't think if you gave him another 10 years at third base, that he would be good there.
It's just not a position for him.
The arms are already not really great.
And the anticipation is just really bad there.
And you saw it on that play.
Like there's God, I long for Ke'Bryan Hayes, just watching him in the way he was able to anticipate the ball off the bat.
And no, I don't long for him at the plate, but the way that the best third baseman or even good third baseman are able to feel that position and just anticipate the way a ball is going to go.
And just based on this, they can just read it.
Gonzalez does not have that.
And we've seen it all year.
And unfortunately it's just, it's a weird spot where you got to play him.
Cause that's good enough to play him, but it's bad.
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So, I was, I was dialed in.
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I immediately saw that it was Beasley's fault on the one.
I immediately was like, ah, well, that one's Gonzalez's fault.
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And I would have.
I'm not going to say that.
I don't know.
I don't know if I would have made the play.
I would have, but it's fine.
no, but you brought up, you brought up a good point there about just having Gonzalez at third base to start the year originally, because, we were all a spring training and something that I remember, like we get to practice, we get to the games early.
So we get to really watch them practice.
The third base reps during spring training, Tyler, we're going to Nick Yorke and Manuel Valdez.
Those were who was, we're getting the majority of the third base reps.
And it was Jared Triolo and Konnor Griffin at shortstop.
And it was Nick Gonzales, Brandon Lowe at second base.
That was pretty much the infield alignment.
Most days that we were down there observing practice.
They made this decision to say, all right, Nick Gonzales, you're going to be playing the majority of third base.
It was basically at the end of spring training.
They made this decision like before opening day, my thought process here is like, they didn't really seriously pursue a third baseman this off season.
They went out there and they kicked the tires on Okamoto and they kicked the tires on Suarez, but like, let's be serious.
They weren't getting either of those guys.
Like at what point do you tell Nick Gonzales back in the fall?
Hey, Nick spend a lot of time learning third base this off season, because it seems like that didn't happen because when we were down there in Bradenton, it's not like Nick Gonzales
playing third base was much of a priority.
I don't know if I would have made much of a difference, but I'll tell you whatever they did didn't work.
It didn't work.
Yeah.
Like, I don't think Nick Gonzales would ever be a good third baseman, but I think he at least could coach him to a point where it's passable because right now it's not passable.
It's really not.
It's awful.
And he's having a really good offensive season and it's like, there's a debate to be had whether or not his glove is so bad that you can't even play him a third.
Yeah.
It's pathetic.
It's really bad.
And I think when you watch him, like, especially when you're in the ballpark, cause you can see a lot more, but when you're in the ballpark pre-pitch, it's, you see everyone else with their pre-pitch routine and everything they do.
And I never see that when Nick Gonzales, when we're there, the pre-pitch steps don't happen.
And when they do, they're not very consistent.
And that's part one of just fielding your position is that's the anticipation part.
You get into it.
You have your rhythm left, right, hop, done.
And you make the play.
I don't, I, there's been a few times I've purposely watched him during games and I don't see that.
I, and I feel like that's something you should be able to coach.
And instead we're just seeing it get worse.
We're seeing the defense get worse and granted yet just make the plays.
Like this major league baseball, you should be able to feel the baseball, but I'm not seeing him get better and it's frustrating.
Yeah, it's, it is.
It's like, as I said, frustrating is the key word today.
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I do want to go to, we, I feel like we've harped on Nick Gonzales a lot here.
the offense today, before we get to the pitching, I do want to say one real big positive today, Rafael Flores jr.
Four for four, but at the plate today, OPS up over eight 40.
he also caught two base stealers, behind the plate.
He's that's, that's awesome.
Just absolutely awesome.
two of those hits came against Jacob Misiorowski as well.
one of them came off of, Ashby.
One of them came off of, Miguel.
So like, these are good pitchers that he's getting these hits off of.
I said on Bucco Brew that like, I was comfortable, I think going into next season, rolling with Flores.
And if he keeps doing stuff like this, like I'm going to be, I'm going to be very comfortable with it.
And I think like, at least in my case, I feel more comfortable and I don't want to speak for you, but I think the defense and what you mentioned about the two base runners being thrown out, that's a big part of being more comfortable with it because he could be doing
this at the plate, but if he weren't improving behind the plate, we'd still be talking about how do you fit him into this lineup to how, like, do you DH him more often?
Do you find a spot for my first base, him being able to.
Catch and receive and now throw runners out here and there and just improve in general.
Like Matt definitely has made me more comfortable as well.
Yeah.
I said he's taking every, he's taking advantage of every single opportunity that he's been given, which is something, in terms of something to be encouraged about this season.
I feel like we went through these last like five or six years, just going through guy after guy after guy.
And they, like, no one, no one just like sees their opportunity.
The pirates have had a few guys this season, like seize that opportunity.
And Flores is one of them, Esmerlyn Valdez is another one of those guys.
But like they're having guys that are being called up and they're making the most of the chances that they're being given.
And so yeah, outstanding work from Flores tonight.
Great start to the, to his career.
Really?
he's had a really good end of the season.
and then lastly, got to give a shout out Brandon Lowe 30th Homer.
No one's done that this decade within a pirates uniform, which is wild to say, but yeah, 30 homers.
You had that just add that little bit that made me a little bit depressed.
Yeah.
However, with that being said, yeah, it's, you know what they say, don't trade with the rays, but it worked.
Go team.
I think that one, we're going to blame the Astros, I think more for that one.
The Astros, I don't know what they were doing.
I think, I think they were the team that got robbed.
Yeah.
Well, they, the pirates, they get three rays out of it.
Yeah.
all three contributed pretty well this year.
And the razor just continuing to come along and win a bunch of games.
He only gave up one run because he got out of the bases loaded jam in the second inning.
Brandon, I cert though.
I feel like it's someone who just, he was hit hard tonight.
He gave up four hard hit balls, three balls hit over a hundred miles an hour in the batters that he faced.
but quietly Tyler, like Brandon, I certs been pretty good.
His last few outings, his last five games, two and a third scoreless, one scoreless, two thirds scoreless, two and a third scoreless, two and a third scoreless dude.
Hasn't given up a run in basically nine innings.
Is there anything there?
Is there anything there that's impressive?
No.
All right.
Absolutely not.
Like he can every now and then he gets guys out.
He's another, he's a loogie.
Yeah.
the stuff still doesn't look good, but I think with him today, like more than anything, like he threw strikes, he didn't really get a bunch of whiffs or strikeouts or anything like that.
And he had two swings and misses one strikeout.
Like I said, Milwaukee hit him hard, but it hit the ball where the fielders were playing.
So he got, he got the outs, which I guess is the important part.
Can I, did you think they, and let me start here.
Bachar didn't look really good tonight, but really good job of getting through that.
Those two innings only giving up to one run because he was getting beat around the ballpark a good bit, but any part of you that question, like, why is he still out there 40 plus pitches?
Cause that ran through my head at some point.
Like, I don't love burning these kinds of guys this late in the year.
And just, yeah, I feel like it's, I don't love that.
I think they really wanted to get two innings out of them is what they wanted.
and he did get into quite a bit of trouble there in the second.
Again, he loaded the bases up, ended up getting cheerio to fly out to get out of that inning.
Cause like that could have spiraled from there, but it didn't.
Yeah.
I guess at that point, who are you going to go to?
Cause it's still the ready on ready matchup.
I think the plan was to go Bachar and then go Eisert.
Like, I think that was the plan.
and if you look at it, like the way it lined up, Bachar faced the righties a couple of times there at the beginning and then faced, touring Bowers.
that is where I sort came in to face the lefties.
I think that's just how the game script play, was, Hey, like Lake Bachar is going to go out there and he's going to face 11 batters.
Like, I think that was just, that was the plan.
Yeah.
And like, I don't want to act like, I know there's a lot of hate towards babying pitchers, but he hasn't thrown 40 plus pitches since like June.
And I don't know.
I didn't love it, but it's also, I guess, one of those situations where we're in mid September and that's the options that your GM has left you with.
And you have, I think that's somehow.
Yeah.
I think that's more of what it was like they needed, they needed Bachar to give him two innings.
I just don't like it.
I just don't like it.
That's all.
That's fair.
Fair.
but I do want to talk about, Ramirez pitched two thirds scoreless.
I said Soto was awful.
He was awful today.
That's two games in a row.
That's Soto, was terrible.
I can't wait till he's gone.
I cannot wait.
And what was my over under?
Do you remember it?
I don't remember.
Was that ERA?
Cause we're at three point eight right now.
I think we're still under, but, I do want to talk about Antwone Kelly because you, who in the first inning that he pitched tweeted out that, he has one of the most
hittable a hundred mile an hour fastballs you've ever seen.
And he did give up a hard hit double, 102 miles an hour.
He gave up another hard hit double, at, to do one Oh five point six.
But other than that, like I thought he looked really good.
He got through three innings of work.
Didn't allow a run.
Those were the only two hits.
He gave up did walk a couple of batters, but did also strike out three batters.
I typically have liked what I've seen out of Kelly in like shorter spurts.
Like when he's just going one inning, but today was probably the best I remember him seeing in like a longer outing, where he went these three innings.
it was his second time in a row.
He went three innings.
He gave up three runs last time.
did it one time before gave a pitch three scoreless against the reds back in July.
but for the most part, like I really liked what I saw when he went like that one inning against the Dodgers, the multi-inning role hasn't been as good for him.
but today gets the job done.
The fastball is there as far as the speed goes.
And in his three innings of work, he did get, five swings and misses, which was most that anybody got on the team today.
I thought, I thought the slider looked pretty good.
And I thought the change up when he did throw it, if flashes potential and not, I'm not like, I think Antwone Kelly could be a pretty good major league pitcher.
With that being said, I stand by exactly what I tweeted.
That fastball is the most hittable 100 mile an hour fastball.
I've ever seen coming into the day.
He has a three or four batting average against on the four scene fastball.
He throws it an average of 99 miles an hour and guys just absolutely tee off on it.
It reminds me of Cam and arrow Archimedes, Cam and arrow back in the day that through one Oh, my God, I just teed off on it.
It's just flat.
But with that being said, like guys that throw a hundred don't grow on trees, but they're popping up a lot more, but they don't grow on trees.
So with some adjustments, there's definitely something here, but as constructed, he's not going to be a good major league pitcher with fat fastball.
He's got to fix that.
And I thought he was better today.
It's just, if he doesn't have that pitch, it's not good enough.
It's not going to get guys out.
Yeah.
9% whiff rate on the fastball today.
So to your point, it's, he throws it hard, but when people are swinging at it, they're not, they're not missing, right?
They're hitting me.
He had one whiff.
He had one whiff on 11 swings.
Yep.
Yeah.
it was the sweeper and the slider, which I think, I don't know if stack cast is confusing or not, but, that's what has worked out really well for him.
And when you look at his stuff plus numbers, those are the pitches that, it really likes.
So maybe it's just a matter of just switching things up a little bit, like maybe just going to the pitches that work really well, maybe pitching more off of the horizontal stuff, the East West stuff, as opposed to the North.
South stuff and using that to pitch off of the breaking balls.
I am curious.
the stuff is good.
The stuff's really good.
Yeah.
But I'm curious, just, is there something with the arm angle you can adjust?
Maybe.
Or, like, do you maybe see what a two seam looks like with them or like when you have that stuff, you can get a little bit creative with them because like the stuff's
good enough that he should be able to get guys out.
Yep.
I agree with you.
He, topped out over one Oh one today.
So not only was the Miz up there, but yeah, Kelly topped one Oh one today as well.
So all right.
Hey, we're over 600 bucks raised over $600.
So appreciate everyone who's donated.
that means with the match, we're over $1,200 raised for the Clemente museum.
So, Hey, you know what?
Crappy day, crappy game, but we, every once in a while we can, we can do something good here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's nice to do good things.
And it's thanks to these people in our chat here and people watching.
I appreciate all of you.
Yep.
Appreciate each and every one of you guys.
do you got anything lined up for old fan dole there, Tyler?
We sure do.
Tomorrow we got Jared Jones on the mound and the pirates are plus one 16 on the money line.
So not favored, which that's what happens when you play the brewers who are playing out of their minds.
There you go.
And even worse news, than the loss.
the Braves are three outs away from beating the Cubs, which means the brewers are going to be celebrating an NL central divisional title at PNC park tonight.
So that sucks.
Yeah.
Other teams celebrating in the clubhouse on Clemente day.
Not what you want to see.
Sure.
Sure isn't.
Meanwhile, the pirates are heading to Cancun for an 11 straight year.
Yep.
And back under 500.
Back under 500.
You got anything else.
You got anything else to add?
No.
I'm sad.
Again, thank you so much to everybody who donated.
That fundraiser will be open until midnight.
So there's still, an hour and 45 minutes to donate.
You can go on any one of our YouTube channels that we've, any other of our YouTube videos that we've put out from Friday on, and donate.
And again, we'll chip in, we'll double that up.
so hopefully we can continue to raise a little bit more money, but appreciate everybody who donated.
You guys are awesome.
we still have two more weeks of baseball here.
So we're going to, we're going to stick it out.
We're going to talk about it.
And we've got a lot of really fun stuff, to talk about this off season as well.
So I'm Jim.
That was Tyler pirates lose five, one.
That's all I got.
Peace out, girl scouts.
See you guys.
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