Our 3 Takeaways From Pirates’ Brutal Blowout at the Hands of the Cubs

Yo, beautiful people. Sorry, we're a little late today. We're having technical difficulties, attendance difficulties, incompetence difficulties. That's mostly on my part. And the pirates are worse than all of that. Pirates got smoked today, 12 to 2. Hey, they weren't going to win them all, but they sure didn't need to lose them this bad. This one started out okay.

They scored a run. They got a one, two, three from Gutell. And that's pretty much the highlights of the game. Before we get started, I want to impress upon you that we are raising money for the Roberto Clemente Museum, a very worthy cause. Our goal is to hit $2,100. We will match 1,055 of that, of the first 1,055 that comes in to get us in there. So no excuses, everybody. You can do it through the YouTube, I believe.

There's several ways to do it. And if some of my genius compatriots tell me exactly what you need to do, I will pass it along to you. But let's blow this number out of the water. The Clemente Museum is a wonderful thing. Roberto Clemente is one of the all-time great humans that has, been on this earth.

So let's celebrate him. Let's support this museum. Let's do some good stuff here. All right. So, okay. Now, to the game. Pirates had won four in a row, their second highest streak of the year. I think in April they had won five in a row.

They looked fantastic. They were pitching wonderfully. They were getting timely hits. they look really good in the south side of Chicago this week.

They come up to the north side, which has, always been a terrible, or not always, back when I was young, back in the 90s even, when I was old, but not as old, they used to crush the Cubs on a regular basis.

But here for a long time, this century, it's not been pretty. The Pirates were going with another bullpen game. I don't think this one is much by choice as some of the others.

It's been as by necessity. Braxton Ashcraft was added to the injured list. the kid has pitched so good. It has been so great all year.

He had a little blip there, maybe in July or so, but, and then he came out of that and just has been awesome.

He pitched a complete game and then an eight inning game after that. And boy, we sure could have used him today.

And then the Cubs were throwing Imanaga, who, as like no pirate has ever gotten a hit off him in the history of the game.

So, us running out some rookies in a bullpen game and them going with the greatest pitcher who's ever lived, it didn't look good.

But Konnor Griffin leads off with a triple. again, this kid is such a difference maker.

Every time I say that, I have a friend who says, well, he's fast. Well, he was fast today and he got the third on that triple.

Oneil Cruz wastes no time, knocks him in. And I'm pretty much done with the Pirates highlights at this point.

I only have low rates to offer from here on out.

Wilbur Toteau gets the start, has a one, two, three inning, looks good, comes back in the second inning and forgets how to play baseball.

I think in the first inning, he forgot to back up home. But in this game, he forgets to cover first base.

I don't know how you forget to cover first base. you come off the mound and you're looking at first base.

How do you forget that? But he didn't cover first base. They don't get what would have been an easy double play.

And then Carson Kelly hits a double and knocks him two runs. So it is three to one Cubs at that point.

And that's as close as it's ever going to be. The Pirates were just awful.

They couldn't do anything right. They couldn't string together any hits.

They and just, they went from Dotel to Curtis. Dotel has looked good at times this year.

Curtis has looked great at times this year, but he didn't have it today.

He got beat up. Just everybody, all the Cubs got in on the action.

So, again, not a good game, not a good game.

I don't know, Paul, if they needed to win out, but yeah, they probably needed to be 15 and three or something.

And that might not have been enough. Right. You're counting on two teams, two teams to implode.

And those two teams play each other at the end of the season.

so somebody could make up the difference then.

Yeah. Get your chats in. It's just me.

Nobody wanted to do the show with me today. I forgot to shower.

And, so I'm here on my own.

Neil is making promises that he might join me at some time.

And I know how you all love Neil, especially you, Paul.

So hopefully he'll get here soon.

But yeah, it was just, this is the Pirates team that we've been frustrated all year that, didn't do any didn't do things fundamentally well.

I think Cruz got thrown out, trying to steal second.

And it was a close play and it looks like it maybe should have been overturned.

But the pitching was just awful.

Let's see. Let's take a look at some of the numbers here.

And you had rookies, here this is this meaningful, significant game.

And you had to go with a bunch of rookies who, not just rookies, but guys that have hardly pitched this year.

Dotel started, he went two innings, he gave up four hits, three runs and a strikeout.

He didn't walk anybody.

But again, the key, not covering first base.

This is just you want to be a playoff team.

You want to be a small market team that competes with big market teams like the Cubs.

You've got to do the little things right.

And this team and you would think that would be a core fundamental principle.

And, I think every general manager and every manager we've ever hired that's ever been hired in baseball ever has always said, we're going to do the little things right.

We're going to hit and run.

We're going to move.

we're going to move guys around.

We're going to do some different stuff.

And then, the Pirates don't at all.

They just don't.

It was interesting that the Cubs at one point, they execute, they had a hit and run.

I think, yeah, Nico Horner, is on first.

He steals second.

Griffin goes over to score and Conforto hits it right where Griffin was.

It was just a beautifully executed play.

And I don't think I've seen the Pirates do anything like that all year long.

So, it's just when the big money teams are out-fundamentaling you and outsmarting you, and again, on the on-field level, of course, they're outsmarting us in the front office.

We're overmatched in that regard.

But on the field, we should be able to compete fundamentally with any team and should strive to be better than most teams because it makes a difference.

It's, again, we only needed, right?

If they would have won three more games from, opening day until September 1st, just three more games through, sound fundamentals or a good bullpen or just, not doing some of the ridiculous stuff they've done all year, you're right in the thick of this thing and you've got a chance.

Now, you can't afford to lose a game and then you lost one today, 12-2.

And, the matchups and stuff don't look too much better.

After Gautel, we brought in Curtis.

Khristian Curtis has looked pretty good this year.

his first outing was after the All-Star game.

He pitched six shutout innings.

I think he came in the second inning.

Just outstanding.

He's had a couple good outings.

I think he gave up two runs in his last outing.

But today, three innings, six hits, six earned runs, two walks, zero strikeouts.

Couldn't get anybody out.

and then we went with Antwone Kelly, who was three innings, six hits, three earned runs, zero walks, and a strikeout.

But, I guess the bright side is Mason Montgomery didn't have to pitch today and Luke Weaver didn't have to pitch today or Soto or Ramirez.

We, our bullpen, especially our high leverage guys, all really needed a day of rest.

Hopefully tomorrow we can blow the Cubs out 12-2 so they can rest another day.

we'll see what happens there.

But, yeah, this is pretty much the sentiment.

And it's funny, for a while now everyone's needing to say, we needed to go, if we can go 14-6, and then they lose one game and it's over.

So, I thought it's been over since July, so I understand the sentiment.

But, it's just, it is what it is.

they're an overmatched team.

They're not fundamentally sound.

They can't hit lefties.

Imanaga, once again, handled the Pirates quite nicely today.

It looked like we were going to get to him.

It looked like we were going to get to him.

But he went six innings, gave up two runs.

One was a home run by Bryan Reynolds.

Bryan Reynolds has had two home runs, I think, since the All-Star break, and they've both been in just total blowouts.

And they haven't mattered one little bit.

I said, that's a little unfortunate.

sure, if it gets him on a streak where he hits one in each of the next five games, okay, great.

But right now, just getting, hitting him in garbage time.

Who cares?

But, yeah, and the other cover leavers came in and just shut it down.

But Imanaga, who, again, he's got a 3.88 RE.

I think he came in with a 3.91.

He's not this great pitcher to everybody else.

But when he faces the Pirates, he's some combination of Maddox and Randy Johnson or something.

It's crazy.

Yeah, so that crisis, actually has been over for a while.

I think we all agree.

But we've all said this.

play hard to the end.

Don't give up.

Fight every game.

You never know what the other teams might do.

Again, it's unlikely.

But, fight hard.

Go into the offseason.

It might be a long offseason.

Give us some positive things to dwell on in the offseason.

Things to get excited about.

Because, we're Pirates fans.

It doesn't take as much to get excited.

a simple signing, a simple trade, and we are over the moon ready to go.

Yeah, but he's the doubles leader.

Yeah, even old school stats can tell lies, not just the news.

he's, Bryan Reynolds has had a decent year.

He's had a terrible second half.

again, the team is flawed.

I think we were saying that all year.

We were saying that, in April, May, when they were still doing well, and the bullpen was pitching okay, and we were excited about things.

And, we got to three or four over 500, I think.

the flaws were there.

the flaws were there.

They needed to be addressed.

The bullpen in particular.

I remember saying, hey, the only real weakness of this team is the bullpen, and the bullpen is the easiest things to fix.

And then no real attempts were made.

you bring a guy up from AAA, but, not really going outside of the organization, not making a trade, picking up guys off waivers that, other teams couldn't get rid of, couldn't wait to get rid of.

So, yeah, this season, the Pirates were not cheated, right?

And nothing, it wasn't bad luck.

It wasn't bad breaks.

They were the authors of their own demise, right?

They, the Ozuna signing, obviously that money, easy to say in hindsight, I understand, but obviously that money would have been much better offspent on, say, a starter pitcher, a starting pitcher, and, a $6 million starting pitcher and two $3 million relievers or something.

Or a right-handed hitting third baseman that has, that can field the position, whatever.

they may, obviously, Charington's made good moves, and we've celebrated those moves all year long, but there were still some things that needed to be worked on.

And it seems with Ben Charington that opening day hits, and he does not think any moves can be made.

He's going to stand pat because he believes in the roster that he put together.

He believes in his internal analytics that will, these guys, Rowdy Tellez will suddenly start hitting.

Tommy Pham will suddenly start hitting.

Somebody will suddenly start pitching, that thing.

It doesn't happen, and then he makes a move, as late as possible as he can at the deadline, and, it was just too little too late.

They were nice moves.

he did a good job with, improving the bullpen, but it was just, a month at least too late.

I don't know.

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it sounds like an interesting thing.

It's intriguing, a word we used to use quite a bit around here.

I don't know.

Are we Shakespearean?

Are we a Shakespearean?

We darn fans have to endure a life in a Shakespearean drama.

We certainly are very dramatic, but it's, yeah, I don't know if it's Shakespearean, so to speak.

It is tragic, though.

You are absolutely right about that.

It is tragic.

So, tomorrow, you got Skenes pitching against the Cubs.

And, his last start wasn't very good.

Start before that was.

Hopefully, he can get on track.

We would really be great if he could step up, shut the Cubs down.

Let's get a win.

We're back to 500.

We don't make the playoffs.

I don't really care much about the record.

But for a franchise that I think has been over 500, like, seven times since 1979, I won't be mad if they win 82 games.

I guess we're 74 and 74 right now.

So, it's a ways to go.

I guess we'd have to go, what are there, 14 games left?

We'd have to go eight and six.

but we're going through the Cubs and the Brewers right now.

So, we better get rolling.

If you hear my dogs barking, they think that may be Neil, trying to get in.

I'm not sure.

So, yeah, it's – again, it was just an ugly game.

If you guys have any thoughts on the game or any play that stood out to you, to me, the biggest one – there was two for me.

And the biggest one is Dotel not covering first base.

And that's – in the first inning, he didn't back up home.

That didn't end up costing – but, like, come on, kid.

Somebody's got to pull him aside.

Someone's got to coach him up.

And it just doesn't seem like the Pirates do that, except with the catchers.

Jordan, our catcher coach, seems to be doing a great job coaching up Henry and Rafael Flores and whoever else, but seems to strap on the gear.

And then the other one was the fun – that play I mentioned of the Cubs, the hit and run that they just executed perfectly.

again, they're a team that hits home runs.

They're a team that hits the ball, but they still do those little things.

And, Nico Horner, takes off first, trying to steal, ends up on third because of the hit and run.

And, of course, he scores because just about everyone had got a base where the Cubs scored today.

I don't know.

I just – I'll go back to the Clemente Museum.

I love the Clemente Museum, and I want you all to give money.

And I want us to do well more than the $2,100 as a target goal that we've set.

Again, North Shore Nine will match up to $1,055.

So we'll do half of it.

But I don't think that – we're going to have to.

I think you guys – I think you guys are going to step up.

I think you guys know the value of this place.

I think you know the impact of Roberto Clemente.

And hopefully we'll rally that money up together for such a great cause.

I don't have any advanced analytics.

I don't think, maybe Cruz's single was hit hard off the bat that knocked in – I don't think it was – that knocked in Konnor Griffin.

Konnor Griffin running around the bases pretty fast.

Yeah.

We could go back to games the other night.

And that was a wonderful play, Triolo.

for a minute there, it was a season-saving play.

I'm not sure.

But, yeah.

when Triolo's playing the right position and being used in the right way, he can definitely be an asset to this team.

he gets used way more than he should based on what his skills are.

But, the Pirates way.

Yeah, I'm reading the Clint Hurdle book right now, Hurdleisms, and as he says, shower well.

So, yeah, they need to shower well tonight.

I got some spots that I can recommend to them in Chicago that, they could get in and out of, not have to stay too late, still have a good time, but, be home, get well – be well-rested for tomorrow's game.

Because, yeah, Jim, I think, mentioned this yesterday, or it was on the – yeah, the Thursday show.

It's like, all we can ask is that they keep playing hard and keep doing well.

And today, I don't want to question their effort, but, God, they were awful.

They were just awful.

So they just looked in at – and as the banner says, Pirates get smoked.

They were smoked.

And I'm a little concerned that's the actual Pirates team that showed up today.

And what we've seen here over the past couple weeks was a mirage.

The Pirates have won five series in a row, so they need to win Saturday and Sunday to keep that streak going.

I think that'd be great.

It'd be fun to put – the Cubs, I think, had lost four in a row coming in.

They were – if we rough them up a little, like, they may have been – be in danger of missing the playoffs.

I said, at least we could play spoiler.

That'd be fun.

But I guess that's all.

I don't have the FanDuel odds.

I don't want to keep you guys here.

Sorry for the brief show.

But, yeah, the – I don't have the FanDuel odds tomorrow, but I can promise you that we're still probably 8,000, plus 8,000 to make the playoffs.

And I'm sure we're a underdog in tomorrow's game, even with Skenes pitching.

What is that matchup at Skenes?

And – sorry.

Just had it up.

But after the Cubs, we play the Brewers, Norman Pirates fan.

So, that's not – yeah, Skenes versus Holmes.

Holmes is 6-7 with a 2.83 ERA.

Skenes is 10-11 with a 3.83 ERA.

There's good news.

Thank you, Wayne.

Is that Phoenix, Wayne?

PHX, Wayne?

My $20 nation did show up in my checking account, so that is working.

All right.

So, now we at least need 19,000 – what is it?

Wait, no, I'm sorry.

20,980 more to go.

Well, maybe 20 less because we'll obviously match that 20.

But, yeah, that's the important thing about this game right now is nothing.

It's over.

As Clint says, shower well.

Be prepared tomorrow.

Come at them, 100 miles an hour.

Play the game like it's important.

But donate.

Donate.

So, good.

So, thank you.

Thank you, Norman.

Thank you, Wayne.

Let's get this thing rolling.

As soon as the show's over, I'm going to go ahead and put mine in.

this cause I believe in.

North Shore Nine, we're here for you.

We're going to cover the pirates.

We're going to create content.

But I think we'd also like to do a little good and give back a little.

And what a perfect avenue for us, the Roberto Clemente Museum.

Again, I highly recommend if you haven't been or even if you have, go again.

And if you haven't been, go for the first time.

Check it in.

Make a donation through us.

Let's raise this money.

Let's reach our goal.

I think we're doing it from the 11th through 15th.

So, today through, is that Monday?

12th, 13th, 14th, Tuesday.

So, which will be, Roberto Clemente Day.

And that's a great day.

In baseball, that's a great day to honor, one of the most iconic players that's ever played the game.

One of the most iconic humans that's ever played the game.

Sorry that we started a little late.

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And look at him sucking up to our corporate overlords there with a Louisville card.

My goodness.

Now I'm really ready to end the show.

This isn't Louisville.

This is not Louisville.

It looks close enough.

It's close enough to be twisted.

It is not Louisville.

We don't support the Cardinals here.

What are we talking about, Doug?

Sorry I joined so late.

We're mostly – we didn't talk too much about the game.

There wasn't anything to talk about, you know.

The Pirates competed for an inning and then forgot how to play baseball.

But we've been talking about the Roberto Clemente Museum and how you should donate.

A couple people have already donated, Wayne and – was it Norman, I think?

Yes.

And so we've got the ball rolling.

Thank you.

We want to crush that number.

I don't – do you have the FanDuel odds?

I got nothing here.

So – look, I live in Alabama.

I can't even download that.

You have the FanDuel.

If you want FanDuel odds – For tomorrow's game.

not for tomorrow's game, no, but we are plus 8,000 to make the playoffs according to FanDuel.

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

A week ago, I was saying that might be worth – you put $10, win $800.

Yeah, it might be worth it, but it might be risky at this point.

Give that $10 to the Roberto Clemente Museum.

Yeah, it's a good cause.

If you don't get – you can't get sandwiches today, but you can donate to a good cause.

– And that'll fill your soul.

Oh, my gosh.

I'm trying to even think about, like, what you could have possibly talked about besides just complaining about the Cubs.

Yeah.

No, my big complaint is, a second-inning issue with Tatel not covering first base and then, which would have been a double play out of the inning.

He said he doesn't cover first base and then gives up a double to Carson Kelly, I believe the number nine hitter in the lineup.

And it's 3-1.

Not that it, mattered at that point.

Without those two runs, we'd have lost 10-2.

Yeah.

Once I scored two runs on – and it was Imanagaday, it's like, yeah, this might be over.

And, yeah, that was the other thing we talked about.

Wow, we immediately scored.

it took, three pitches into the game.

I think we had a 1-0 lead on Imanagaday.

I never thought that would happen.

But then he reverted to form.

We reverted to form.

Yeah.

And 12-2.

No, rude awakening today.

The experience is over.

Yeah.

Real rude awakening today.

it's one of those things.

Like, I don't know how many times I have to say in a vacuum, this really isn't that bad.

But, like, you can't lose like this with your season on the line.

That was my big disappointment from the day is that you got your O'Hearn back, you're healthy, the vibes are good, and you go out and get smoked like this.

Right.

That hurts a lot.

It really hurts.

Yeah.

and then, again, they threw three rookie pitchers, and that was it.

And, one of the bonuses today is that Montgomery and Weaver didn't pitch, so their arms were probably falling off.

But, you wonder, again, if Dotel covers first base and it's one-to-one after the second inning, does he choose his pitchers differently?

Or does he have a shorter leash when somebody starts getting rocked around?

And, but, yeah, it was, like I said, vibes were good, four-game winning streak, playing like they were trying to do something, and then today just to lay an egg like this is just awful.

Yeah, just, I don't know, it was a complete inability to go on sustained winning streaks.

four is good, but you needed something like six or just to really cut into this lead.

Honestly, like, don't once a year, you need, like, you need to rip off a 10-gamer, and every team, you know what I'm saying?

That's the thing that separates your season.

Had that, they won five in April, had they made that 10, that's like five more, it's like, you're in a whole different position if you just would have had one really good, it didn't even have to be a 10-game win streak, just something like where you go 12-2 or something.

Yeah, I wouldn't even say it's 10's a lot, 10 is a peppy ask, but no, yeah, just not.

Just not losing these games, like, I think, is this game, and it's losing one of the games in each of the Angels and Giants series, where, like, you just cannot keep it consistent and keep getting ground.

Losing all three in the Cubs, with the Dodgers,.

I'm sorry, like, you should have won at least one of those Dodgers.

the Dodgers are a much better team, but you had your chances in that Dodgers series, and you never capitalized.

Yeah, I agree.

No, and it really, it's weird as it sounds, it sounds like pitching injuries are just tanking the season in a way where, yeah, they have, they now have one bullpen game a week, and then they have a game where they have to throw away, not the rookie pitchers.

And neither Dotel nor Curtis covered themselves in glory today.

Not mad at them.

No.

But, yeah.

Rookies on the road against a good team.

The Cubs have the most runs scored in the National League.

So, it's like, they're pretty good.

He would have liked to have seen better, but, I have, they have not cemented themselves in next year's rotation, but they haven't, got themselves out of it either, so.

No.

Yeah.

No, it just sucks, and I hate Chicago.

I hate Chicago.

Sorry, I hate the Cubs.

It's just, it's really, it's always the worst.

I love Chicago, I hate the Cubs.

Right.

Sorry, I love Chicago.

That's the wrong way of saying it, yeah.

Chicago, sorry, Chicago's too good of a city to have the Cubs.

I know.

They're right.

Yeah.

The Cubs are my least favorite team, for sure.

So.

Yeah.

All right.

I agree.

Either that or the Cardinals, but yeah.

I know, it's tough.

Or the Reds, you know.

Or the Reds.

No, the Reds are too funny to hate that much.

Like, they really, they get up for us like we're their World Series every year, and I think it's so funny.

Well, you should have met me in 1976.

Those Reds were very good.

Pete, Rose.

Oh, God.

They were so good.

They were in a different division, and we played them in the playoffs.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Anyway.

I'm talked out, so you take the floor, sir.

I don't, I have nothing.

No, that's okay.

We're at half an hour for this game, but, thanks to everyone for joining.

Thanks for those who donated.

We will be keeping this donation going.

But any Super Chats you want to say, we will match for the Roberto Clemente Museum.

So, thank you to our generous benefactors.

And hopefully we go out and take two or three from the Cubs, because I, obviously it's, it already feels like lights on the season are already shut down, but I'd like to see fight down the stretch.

Yeah, exactly.

Just, again, keep sucking us back in.

Keep drawing us back in.

We know we're logical, rational, reasonable people.

We know that they're not going to surpass, two teams aren't going to implode enough, and the Pirates aren't going to win, 11 of the next 14 or whatever.

But make us believe.

Give us a reason to say, well, it's not over yet.

So, yeah, take this game tomorrow.

Take this game tomorrow.

Let's ski, let's ski and step up, throw a jab and get us all excited again.

Yeah, I agree.

But I don't know.

I don't, it sounds like you covered everything.

I think we're, I think we're out of, yeah, I didn't, I didn't do it well, but I did cover it.

So I bet you did.

I bet you engaged.

I bet you engaged.

Like put all the comments on the screen based on the comment.

I bet it was great, Doug.

Like, again, and I said, the big focus of this game is no longer the game for me.

It is the Roberto Clemente Museum.

So, and we've, like I said, we've gotten some donations already.

I'm sure we've gotten more.

I'm going to put mine in as soon as we, sign off.

And, yeah, let's, like I said, let's blow that number out.

But 2100, let's surpass that.

We can do better.

Let's do it.

All right.

Thanks guys.

Yeah.

We'll see you tomorrow.

Everyone.

It's, I think it's me and Tyler tomorrow.

So, if you were missing me earlier in the week, you're going to be careful what you wish for, my friends.

I'm here.

I'm here today, tomorrow, and Sunday.

So the people still love Dougie fresh.

Don't worry.

Maybe not after this weekend.

So, all right.

Thanks guys.

See you tomorrow.

Let's Go Bucs and let's go Roberto Clemente Museum.

Let's do it.

Let's Go Bucs.

All right.

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