Our 3 Takeaways From the Pirates7-4 Win Over the Brewers

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I'm Cody, that's Doug, and the Buccos win the season series against Milwaukee Brewers.

Doug, how are we feeling today?

Conflicted.

We won the season series against the Brewers.

Mason Montgomery has come out of nowhere.

Esmerlyn Valdez came out of nowhere.

Rafael Flores came out of nowhere.

We've had all these Braxton Ashcraft pitch better than we ever could have hoped for.

We had all these wonderful things happen.

Endy Rodríguez contributed for a while, hit seven home runs.

Oneil Cruz is having his best season.

Brandon Lowe's got 30 home runs, 88 RBI.

How are we not in the playoffs, Cody?

We beat the Brewers.

They're the best team in baseball.

We won the season series 7-5.

Why are we not in the playoffs?

Please explain.

I don't know.

It feels like an oxymoron, right?

It's like you do the right thing, yet you don't get rewarded.

But here we are.

There's a lot of things that went wrong this year, and that's why we're not in the playoffs.

But the Pirates can hang their hat on beating the division leader in the season series, and I'll take it.

in a year that we expected a lot out of this team, hey, they did this, at least.

It's cool in my apartment, Jim.

Jim says, for our audio listeners, it's 94 degrees outside.

What are you wearing?

In Jersey, it's a little cold.

For the record, I'm not wearing any pants.

It's, we're in Jersey.

It's, we're by the water.

We're by, I live by a river.

It's cold.

But anyway, Buccos win today, 7-4.

Nice offensive outburst today.

But let's start this one, Doug, in the first couple of innings there.

Brewers get out ahead early in the top of the second.

And, they go with the bullpen game.

Wilberdottel starts.

And I guess just get into the pitching there.

It's like, and we talked about this last time I was on.

Why aren't they just starting Khristian Curtis?

Now, I thought, my opinion last time was if they start Khristian Curtis, it's a white flag.

It's, you're starting a rookie in a spot where you need to win.

But now we're in a spot where you have two bullpen games a week.

You need a starter.

Why didn't they start Khristian Curtis?

Yeah, they went with this rookie thing, whatever.

And they all, it was three innings each from Tothel and Curtis and then Antwone Kelly.

And I thought maybe they were going to do more of the same today.

And they all, they each gave up three runs.

It wasn't very good.

It was not a good game.

They acquitted themselves a little better today.

You certainly want to use what's left of this season to get them as many reps and get as good along a look at them as possible.

It's hard to judge September baseball.

it really is.

We've been fooled by it so many times.

But yeah, I would like to see him just throw a guy out there as a starter.

he doesn't have to go two innings.

he doesn't have to go nine innings, but see if he can get you six, you know.

But the Pirates are weird.

They do weird things.

It's unexplainable.

they do fireable things all the time, but they don't get fired.

Like, when you're Ben Cherington, you're playing with house money and can do whatever the hell you want to do because you can't get fired.

Yeah, and apparently this is what he wants to do.

He wants to throw out a reliever to start the game.

And granted, hey, that's Don Kelly's decision at the end of the day.

Is it?

But I think from what we've seen this season, that it's an organizational philosophy and not a managerial philosophy to do this.

But like you said before, Dotel would usually go like three innings.

The next guy, Curtis, would go three innings.

Today, Dotel only goes two.

He gives up three hits, gives up an earned run, a walk, only two strikeouts, only three whiffs.

Not Dotel's best performance today.

And he had to get bailed out by Khristian Curtis, who comes in and has a decent outing, right?

This is his fifth appearance of his career.

Goes 3.1, gives up a hit, gives up an earned run.

Three walks, which is not great.

That's his issue.

That's his issue.

He's given up a lot of walks.

I think 15 since he's been up or something like that.

Too many.

That's obviously the issue that's going to hold him back if he doesn't straighten it up.

But I would have told you the same thing about Mason Montgomery.

You know?

Right.

And like you said, that's been his issue, right?

So even in that last outing, he didn't have as many walks, but it was his worst outing to date, right?

He gave up six earned runs in three innings against the Cubs.

And in every outing so far, he's registered at least a walk.

So that's definitely something he's going to have to work through.

Maybe that's why they don't want to start him and have him go more than three and a third innings because they're worried about how many walks he'll have.

But it seems like Khristian Curtis is he's in that spot where Bubba Chandler was in the beginning of the year, like where he doesn't necessarily have the control down, but he looks good.

You see glimpses of greatness in him.

So hopefully, this offseason comes and hopefully we have baseball next year and we see what Khristian Curtis can do.

Yeah, he's a viable option to be a fifth starter, I would think.

I'd like to see them bring in some competition.

I would like to see them bring in a left-handed starting pitcher.

But again, you don't in today's baseball, you do not go through the season with five starters.

He should get opportunities next season, regardless of how long, and when that season starts and how many games it is.

I don't think anybody would be mad now if they traded Mitch Keller, if they could get somebody to take them.

And so there could very well be a spot open in the rotation.

I don't want to annoy anybody.

No one has earned that to this point.

But, and I don't want to see Carmen Mlodzinski in the fifth starter spot.

I want somebody new.

I want somebody different.

Like I said, I would love, Tarek Skubal would be nice.

Left-handed, you know.

Okay, pretty good.

And that would be helpful.

Yeah.

Well, I forgot to mention it, but get your hashtag raised.

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Thank you, Jim, for saying my audio is great.

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Last week it was oral fixation.

This week it's ADHD.

my goodness.

Bucko's win, but circling back, like we said, we're going to talk about these first two innings.

The Pirates offense didn't look great first two at-bats, but then Bryan Reynolds, ball off the base of the wall, gets a double.

He might lead the league, the entire MLB, in doubles this year, Doug.

He's tied.

37.

Yeah.

I know there's a group of four of them, at least yesterday, that were all tied at like 36.

And it was like, holy crap.

Like, this is what we've all, we've gotten this from Bryan Reynolds, but this is really what you want to see from a guy like Bryan Reynolds, who's gotten older.

He's in that place in his career where he's not necessarily the power hitter, but you want to see him hit for extra bases and get guys around the bases.

Hit him home.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, nobody was on base, but it was a great hit.

You can't expect home runs all the time.

A double does nicely quite often.

Right.

And then we get into the second inning where, it starts out.

Milwaukee Brewers and Pittsburgh Pirates had a Freaky Friday situation.

Exactly.

And they switched places, and the Brewers had the most piratey inning of all time.

It started out with, I think, I believe, Brandon Lowe struck out, and then Nick Gonzales grounded out.

And from there, you're like, all right, Ronny Simon's coming up.

Let's just get to the next inning.

But then Ronny Simon, I believe, walked.

Yeah.

Jared Triolo got on.

I had it up here before.

Did he get hit?

I believe.

No, he didn't get hit.

I know Davis got on from a catcher's interference.

It's, I'm forgetting how Jared Triolo reached.

Single.

Single to second baseman.

So he got a single.

Davis gets on with the catcher's interference.

I couldn't quite see what it was.

Right.

Didn't really see it, but you couldn't really argue it wasn't there.

As I said, very piratey, very piratey.

Exactly.

And then Konnor Griffin comes up to bat.

And, Doug, this is just what this team's been missing, right?

They've been missing a guy at the top of the order that when guys are on base, he just hit them in.

And he hits a beautiful double down the left field line.

It was a ball inside off the plate.

And on the broadcast, they couldn't believe that he got to it.

And I believe it was Kevin Young explained.

He was like, in spring training, that's a ball that he had trouble with.

And now, you see the maturity.

You see the development.

Konnor Griffin has turned into this guy that's just going to produce runs.

And he's doing it.

He's so special.

I don't, again, his numbers aren't that great.

his OPS is, what is it?

700, just a little over 700.

702.

Yeah.

But he makes an impact on the game.

And, again, often with his legs, his speed is phenomenal.

But, again, that's a two-out hit.

That's a two-out hit.

we've been watching the Cherington Air for quite a long time.

We haven't had a lot of two-out runs, scoring hits.

How many times have we left guys on second and third?

How many times, Doug, have there been bases loaded?

And they just can't hit the ball out of the infield.

And right.

And that's what I'm saying.

And they do nothing.

And he comes up and, was it a double?

I thought his was a double.

Yeah, a double.

13th double.

Then Cruz hits a single.

You know.

Yeah.

And, yeah.

it's.

You're getting production from probably the two most important guys in the lineup.

Right?

Right.

Moving forward.

obviously, Brandon Lowe is as important as anybody on that roster.

And should be signed up next year.

Today's a good day to fire Ben Cherington.

And one of the reasons it's a good day to fire Ben Cherington is because he won't extend Brandon Lowe.

I digress.

I'm going to stay in reality.

And say that he's going to be way too expensive for this team to sign.

But I would like to see it.

I already have in my mind.

Brandon Lowe in 2027 is a New York Yankee.

I'm sorry.

That's just where I stand.

But he gets hit by pitch.

And then we score another run.

And all of this, Doug, I think it's just very important.

It's very important to remember.

This was all coming with two outs.

Two outs.

This team just went on a rally.

Two out rally.

And I feel like I haven't seen this from this team in a long time.

Usually there's two outs.

Not that they give up on the ball or on a plate appearance.

But it just feels like, all right, two outs.

Can't really get anything done now.

Even if they're a guy in scoring position.

Again, it's more often second and third, nobody out, and nobody scores.

And it is bases loaded, two outs.

And several people come through in a row.

All in weird ways.

But I'll take a catcher's interference.

If that gets you on base, let's go.

Yeah.

It was a nice, they kept the line moving, I guess.

again, the booers helped, for sure.

their pitcher has been melting down the last part of this.

But he's left-handed.

Again, Pirates kryptonite, 32 and 16 against lefties coming into this game.

Right.

And this kid's been just blowing up.

He hasn't gone more than five innings since June or something.

He's been – they're wondering what to do with him in the playoffs.

And they've already pretty much come out and said he's not going to be in the rotation.

They'll use him or release him out.

And so you had to get him.

I don't care if he's left-handed, right?

You had to get to this guy.

And he had 17 scoreless innings in his career against the Pirates.

He's never allowed a run to the Pirates.

So it was time to put all that aside.

And they did.

They got to him.

They got to him for five runs.

Right.

And that's what I wanted to bring up, Doug, is this guy, Harrison, he's been shutting down the Pirates all year.

That last game that I – at least I remember, the ESPN game, he's pitching against the Pirates.

And it was like – he was on basically no-hitter watch.

Yeah.

And it was like, holy crap.

Like, what is going on right now?

In a game that I assume was supposed to be Skenes versus Misiorowski on ESPN, Kyle Harrison decided to step up and just be unreal, a guy I'd never heard of.

But then as Tyler said earlier this week, haven't heard of a lot of guys on this Brewers roster, but they just – they figure out a way to win.

But, yeah, to be able to do this against a guy that's been your kryptonite all year, it's got to feel good, especially a lefty.

And, like I said, you secured the season series with this.

You – again, we talked about this last night.

we're looking for silver linings and a very gray cloud.

But, that's what we're left with, right?

I'm going to choose to focus on the positive because, I'm always a ray of sunshine.

But, all right, let's move on to, these middle innings.

Not much happened.

Got a little boring.

But then, Soto comes in for Curtis.

He pitches just two outs, gets a hit off of him, only one whiff.

Not an impressive outing by Soto, but at least it wasn't disastrous, right?

No, but it sure feels like it's time to just set him down.

You know what I'm saying?

if you're trying to win games the rest of this year, it's probably not a good idea to bring him into the sixth inning or seventh or eighth or ninth.

originally, and Don Kelly had talked about this the other day whenever he put Soto in.

I believe it was in the eighth.

But he brought up the fact that Soto was doing well in that sixth inning, middle relief spot.

And he was.

He was doing a great job there.

Wasn't giving up many runs.

He was holding the score.

But he's just he's hot and cold.

He's just not a guy that, if you're fighting for a playoff spot, which somehow this team is still doing, you don't want to rely on that.

Well, here's the thing.

I didn't, and this goes back to 24 when we had that 10-game losing streak after the trade deadline.

I don't mind you bringing in David Bednar.

He had, he had 19 straight saves at that point.

After he blows the save, you go back to him the next day.

I get that.

He's your guy.

But at the next day, when he loads the bases with nobody, you know what?

You're like, he don't have it right now.

Get somebody else in it.

I feel the same way about Soto.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Soto had it from July on.

He was just lights out there for a while, but then he lost it.

But you didn't even have guys warming up in the bullpen.

You're like, well, maybe in hindsight, I should have had somebody warming up.

Maybe, again, you get paid pretty well to manage the team.

And I do believe that's a Donnie decision, right?

Like, he might be told what pitch you're bringing in what order.

But, to take someone out in the middle of an inning or something, I think he can do that.

And that's where it gets me.

And that's the thing that we've heard Donnie talk about, or at least you can go through the word salad and figure it out, that, like, they don't just tell guys, like, hey, you guys are going to go today.

Be ready.

It's, hey, here's your window.

If your window shuts, you're not going in.

And, like, that managing the bullpen, to me, is, like, you're taking away opportunities.

I think Tyler had brought this up before, that, like, if you're not going out to win today's game because you're worried about tomorrow, like, you're not going to go far.

You've got to win today.

That's a hallmark of a bench.

Right.

And that's what that strategy does to you is you leave these windows.

And it's like, if the window's shut, well, we've got to move on.

Ben Cherington is more concerned with the 2028 team than he is, 2026 team.

It's always been the problem.

They're never trying to win today's game.

If it happens, sure, that's great.

What does Ben Cherington always say?

We want to win for our fans.

How about we just want to win?

We want to win because organizationally, that's my job.

that's my job description is to win.

Not for the fans.

You don't do anything else for the fans, right?

You don't communicate with the fans.

You don't really give a good experience.

You don't do anything for the fans.

You're not fan first.

You don't want to win for the fans.

Shut up.

But then Doval comes in, and this was probably one of the best Doval outings I've seen in a while.

He let up a hit.

He has been looking shaky, but he lets up a hit.

And then how did he get the out?

I believe it was either a fly ball.

Two strikeouts.

Right.

He had the two strikeouts to end the inning.

I couldn't recall how he got his first out, but two strong strikeouts to get out of that inning.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it was a ground out that he had to.

He's got stuff, you know.

I guess the good thing about what's going on right now is that when we first acquired him, a couple days prior to the bullpen, he was our best reliever.

And now he's, third, fourth, somewhere in there.

It's like he's in the mix, but you're not counting on him for the most, the biggest situations.

Right.

Can I say something to Jim real quick?

Go for it.

In regard to the winning record of Henry Davis over the past two seasons?

It's because he catches Skenes all the time.

that's what he got last year anyway.

That's where he built up all his wins.

And to wrap things up with, well, not really wrap things up, but let's get into Luke Weaver here before we get into our little spiel.

Luke Weaver comes in, only gets two outs, just a disastrous outing for Luke Weaver.

And I saw Paul Oles in the comments.

He said, did the Pirates break Luke Weaver?

And I don't know, maybe.

This is not the guy that I expected us to get in this trade.

Obviously, he had the poison ivy situation.

You hope that gets solved or it is solved.

But, like, this is not the guy that we thought we were getting.

But I will say, at least he has another year with us to prove something.

we got him for that other year of contract.

he's got a career.

See what happens next year.

Right.

he's got quite a resume.

look at the back of his baseball card, that thing.

But, yeah, it is a little disconcerting.

Because you know who's crushing it right now in Arizona?

Dennis Santana, pitching in high-level situations.

Right, like being dope and stuff.

Yeah.

So it's like, all right, Billy Murphy, maybe, again, in the beginning of the season, I was willing to give Billy Murphy some grace, regardless of that stupid slow walk he does that I hate and he should be fined for.

But, I'm like, oh, it takes a little while, blah.

But, man, he ruined Dennis Santana and is now ruining Luke Weaver.

Right.

So I don't know what he's telling to.

What he's telling them.

But it's not working.

Whatever it is, it's not working.

And they've got to fire somebody this year.

Right?

Because they're not going to fire Cherington.

They're not going to fire Travis Williams.

They're not going to fire Donnie Kelly.

So, and you, I don't, why would you fire the pitching coach when they've scored the fifth most runs in baseball?

So you fire the pitching coach who, watched nearly every pitcher regress.

Right.

But, Doug, I have to remind you that they like to see things out.

So, like, last year, right, last year, we thought Matt Haig would get ousted.

We thought he would be the guy out.

He was not.

Even though the offense was not great under Matt Haig.

But look what happened.

Benefit of the doubt here.

They gave him a full year.

Gave him a full year of these guys to buy in.

And they're one of the top scoring offenses in baseball.

Yeah.

Do you think it's because Matt Haig taught people to hit or because Ryan O'Hearn and Brandon Lauk and Konnor Griffin, came along to give him a viable, I'll leave that, I'll leave that deeper analysis for the big three.

Hey, it's, he's got, he's in charge, he's in charge of the hitting that's got the fifth most run scored in baseball.

That's a success.

So.

Right.

He can put that on his resume.

We're going to give him blame.

We're going to give him some credit too.

And I got to agree with Jim, I don't think anyone's getting fired.

Well, it's somebody's, it's going to, it'll be a strength and conditioning coach.

They're going to make some moves this year.

They always do.

It was an assistant bullpen coach or, something last year.

Yeah.

Some low level coach.

Right.

Somebody we've never heard of.

I don't think anyone real significant is going to get fired.

again, Ben is supremely arrogant.

And believes that every hire he's made is, the gold standard and it's bad luck or whatever.

One of the most popular friends of advanced analytics, when all their advanced analytics aren't supportive, they say it was just bad luck.

And that's, that is going to be a big theme of what this off season was.

Ben did a great job.

It was just a little bad luck.

Yeah.

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Yeah, I can do this.

Let's go.

So, yeah.

So, Mason Montgomery comes in early, late in the eighth inning, to help out Luke Weaver to get that four-out save eventually.

And he has a great outing.

not great.

He did give up two walks.

But he gets two strikeouts and three whiffs.

But he comes in, gets a save, and he got a little help from the offense there in the bottom of the eighth.

There we go.

I got it.

Let's see.

Do you remember what happened in the bottom of the eighth, Doug?

I do.

Ronny Simon got hit.

And, I don't know, some journeyman.

I don't know.

Was it Austin Hedges?

Somebody hit a home run.

I think it was Austin Hedges.

I can't quite remember.

a non-hitting catcher.

The catcher you would say if he could only be an average hitter.

So, it may have been Ke'Bryan Hayes.

It may have been Ke'Bryan Hayes.

I can't quite remember who it was.

So, yes, Ronny Simon singled on a soft bunk ground ball to third base.

Then Jared Triolo flew out.

And then Henry Davis, two-run homer, gets the Bucs up 7-4.

Gives them that insurance for Mason Montgomery to get the save.

Yeah, it had to be nice to get a little breathing room.

Henry's got some power, especially the poolside.

And, rare occasion he gets a hold of one.

He gets a hold of one.

It would be great if he could do – he'd have to do it a lot more than what he currently does it at.

But 10 home runs, 10 – for as infrequently as he hits the ball, to have 10 home runs is pretty impressive.

It gives him the lead amongst catchers on the team, passing Flores, who's got nine, and Andy's got seven.

This is the best home run projection out of – production, excuse me – out of a Pirates catcher in history.

Catchers, in history.

I was going to say, I remember watching Ryan Domet.

He hit some bombs.

Yeah.

But, again, you've got 10 from Henry.

Ryan Domet never hit 26 in a season.

No.

and our catchers have been guys like Manny Sanguian and Tony Pena and Jason Kendall.

we've not had a bunch of boppers playing catcher over the history of the team.

True.

But, yeah, it's wild to me to think that Henry Davis has 10 home runs.

I don't think I would have guessed it.

He's hit 167.

– Right.

It's – he's like the – not anti, but he's like the – he's like Kyle Schwarber without the, like, consistent power hitting.

He's like Kyle Schwarber with, like, 150 less hits.

I see what you're saying.

Right, yeah.

He's – he's a poor man's Kyle Schwarber.

Very poor man.

Very poverty level poor.

Unhoused poor type thing, right?

But, yeah, Buccos get out of it.

Montgomery comes in, shuts the door, gets the last out on a ground out.

And, Doug, this team somehow stays alive.

I believe it was Jim that may have tweeted or texted saying that if the Pirates lost today and the Padres won, they're eliminated.

But the Pirates won.

They have – they live another day.

How long do they have?

Yeah, but we're at the part of the movie where they're showing the heart monitor and it's a long flat line before the next, for the next beat.

the people at the pit are working overtime trying to resuscitate this patient.

But it's not really good.

Dr. Robbie's freaking out.

Dr. Robbie's going to have to go talk to the family here, so we might need to get a social worker.

Oh, but, man, I know I at least have one more show this season.

But I just got to say, they at least kept it interesting.

It may have been super frustrating.

Yeah.

But this part – Oh, yeah, it's – there was something to talk about every day.

Right.

There was never a lull.

And if there was a lull – Last year at this time, we were just, shoot me now.

Right.

They scored one run again and lost two to one.

Right.

And, like, if there was a lull in the season, like they had a losing streak or something, you're like, man, wait until these guys come back.

Because they were – they had injuries.

They had guys on the IL that really could have helped them.

And not to say that they shouldn't have been able to succeed without them, but those guys were important.

Look at the guys that came back.

Look at what Oneil Cruz is doing.

Look at what KG is doing.

O'Hearn didn't play today, but his bat – his bat as well.

It's helpful in this lineup.

That's not what I'm going to say lost them anything this season because it isn't.

They're still, what, top ten offense in baseball, if not top fives.

So, it's going to be known as a season, I think, of what could have been.

And I think Jared Jones actually said something to that effect last night of, like, this offense has been so good.

Just imagine if we were on top of our stuff in the pitching staff.

Well, okay.

So, if you were to bring this team back next year, like, the whole team.

And, of course, you won't.

And you wouldn't.

But I'm saying, all right, you've got the bullpen sorted out.

you like Luke Weaver.

I know he's been a little bit.

But Luke Weaver and Montgomery at the end of the night with Doval here and there.

you like that.

the starting pitcher needs some depth.

But, again, if you were to keep loud and run this offense back, you're like, oh, this team could win ten more games.

Right?

They could.

Now, I'm scared to death of what they're going to do in this offseason.

Yeah, it's a lot of questions.

A lot of question marks.

And then the offseason itself.

Right.

Yeah, a lot of question marks with the league.

It's one of the most nerve-wracking offseasons that's about to come upon us.

Yeah.

And we'll be here.

Providing content.

We'll be here.

So, Doug, I think the people want their sandwiches.

I think they do.

They deserve them.

We don't have many people wanting sandwiches, apparently.

Only 53 people.

It's the first day in September, and they're all but mathematically eliminated.

I know.

But sandwiches are sandwiches, Doug.

Come on.

That's true.

for many of those sandwiches are for many.

like, come on.

Free?

In this economy?

Right?

Two free sandwiches?

Congrats, Tony DiMartino.

You won two sandwiches?

Doug, tell them how they can get their sandwiches.

Well, you've got to eat.

I think you have to sign up for the Primanti Brothers, app or whatever, and then provide that information to us in an email to northshore9.com.

Spell out nine, N-I-N-I-N-E.

You've got it, Doug.

I pay attention.

And then we've got Brandon Clevenger.

Congrats, guys.

Those are two, I feel like, new winners.

I haven't seen these.

When we signed Clevenger in the offseason, I thought he might do something.

Right?

Yeah.

But I guess he did.

He won some sandwiches.

Oh, I forgot to put Jim's little bit in here, the karma aspect of, you've got to like the video if you want to win.

Those two folks, they liked the video.

That's why they won.

And Paul Olsh did not like the video, and he says mean things about Jerry Trello.

Well, Doug, thanks for joining me today.

It was fun.

We had a good time.

Talked some buckos.

I always enjoy my Cody time.

We got NS9 Live tonight with the fellas.

I think all three of them are going.

The big three.

Did they do all three last week?

I feel like Jim's been off.

Tyler was off one night because he was sick.

You know Jim.

He's following Louisville around or something.

Right, yeah.

But we got a new NS9 Live for you tonight.

Look out for that.

Other than that, like the video, subscribe, follow us at North Shore Nine.

And join the Discord, all that fun stuff.

We have a lot of fun here.

We enjoy talking buckos, and especially talking buckos with all of you.

So with that said, we'll see you later.

Let's go Bucs.

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